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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 9:42:23 GMT -5
I am looking into the possibility of running a short proxy race series on 4 or five local tracks for 1935 through 1939 Pre War GP Cars from the Golden Age of Auto Union, Mercedes, Alfa Maserati. These cars are some of my favorites and we have no races for them locally. I would enjoy seeing my cars run in anger rather than just solo parade laps.
Anyone interested?
Regards Ken
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Post by nuvolari on Oct 7, 2012 5:14:11 GMT -5
Finely somebody start to talk sense ;D I'm in. Cheers, Danny
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Post by Peter Seager-Thomas on Oct 7, 2012 5:49:10 GMT -5
This sounds very interesting, I'll keep an eye on the thread.
Presumably the rules would be minimal?
Peter.
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Post by nuvolari on Oct 7, 2012 17:15:54 GMT -5
Hi Ken,
How many copetetors do you need to go ahead? How many entrences can one copetetor bring in? Have you got an idea when this race will go ahead?
Cheers, Danny
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Post by Peter Seager-Thomas on Oct 7, 2012 17:47:26 GMT -5
Hmm, pre-war GP cars.
Does this mean cars 'built to the formulea' such as those mentioned, or those which 'complied to the formulea' like the ERA in the german GP 1935.
Like Danny, I would be interested in entering more than one car.
Come on Taffy, you must be interested!
Peter.
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Post by nuvolari on Oct 9, 2012 16:57:45 GMT -5
Yes, Taffy your staying very quiet, it's the chance to defend your title I already started to build my entrance car Ken, what are the plans? Now you have disrupts my building scheme for this year ;D I'll show some photos of the build later on this week. what it will be , I'll keep as a surprise Cheers, Danny
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 20:26:22 GMT -5
Hello gentlemen I am in the midst of a family medical crisis at the moment so I do not have too much time to devote to this proxy at the moment. I can tell you that the tires will have to be larger in diameter than 24 mm. Minimum track clearance will be 4mm. And the maximum chassis weight will be a percentage of the complete body weight. More to follow in a few days.
Ken
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Post by Mark Huber on Oct 10, 2012 17:05:20 GMT -5
For those of you who may not frequent the SCI forum (would that be anybody?) here are a list of eligible and ineligible cars... drawn up by Scott (GT6) and vetted/approved by Ken:
Eligible Cars:
Alfa Romeo: Tipo B/P3, Tipo C, Monza, 8C-35, 12C-36, 12C-37, Tipo 308, Tipo 312 and Tipo 316
Auto Union: Types A, B, C and D
Bugatti: 51, 59 and 59/50 (a type 35 was entered in the 1937 Swiss GP but DNS)
Delage entered in 1938 French GP but DNS
Delahaye: 135CS, 145 and 155
ERA: B (ran in the 1935 German GP with 2 liter motor)
Maserati: 26M, 4C, 6C-34 (Tipo 34), 8C 2900A, 8CM, 8CTF, Tipo V8RI
Mercedes: W25, W125, W154 and W154/M163 ,W163
Talbot Lago: Type 90 MC, MD
S.E.F.A.C.: 24A/B
NOT eligable cars:
All voiturettes (1500cc class)
ERA - C and D were tested with a 2 liter motor but never raced a GP with it. E type was developed for GP racing pre-war but never raced until after
Talbot Lago T26SS - another car developed before the war but not raced 'til after
Monaco-Trossi was a car developed for GP racing. It had a twin supercharged 16 cyl radial engine in the nose, resulting in prodigious horsepower and a 75/25 weight distribution that produced such scary handling that although tested, it never raced.
I expect that Ken will be forthcoming with rules and regulations when time permits.
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Post by Peter Seager-Thomas on Oct 10, 2012 17:40:46 GMT -5
Surely the Alfetta should be eligible? It ran in the 1939 Swiss Grand Prix?
Peter.
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Post by Chris Wright on Oct 10, 2012 18:14:24 GMT -5
Unfortunately it's a Voiturette, and therefore ineligible
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Post by nuvolari on Oct 11, 2012 6:04:39 GMT -5
Ken I'm sorry to hear about your problems, and I do hope everything will turn out all right.
To all proxy organizers, I'm really disappointed in the regulations.
First of all, Peter is right, the alfetta took part in a GP race therefore in my eyes it's qualified.
A second remark is the wheel diameter, I only build models in scale to their original example and not hot-rods.
My intention was to enter Hellé nice Alfa 1931 Monza that she nicknamed "Bidon", she still drove up until her crash at the 1936 Sào Paulo GP, there for I see this car as qualified. The wheel diameter is 2.3 mm in scale, these are already very big, compared in scale with others.
My third remark concerns wait, the wait difference between chassis and body is ridicules, the Monza’s chassis is build like a real chassis, in brass, like I did with the Darracq. The resin body is from Geodis, that I've re cut to get it in shape, perhaps the wait difference will be correct or not, but that doesn't matter for a race nor the model. I see it as, this is my entrance, and this is the way I want it to compete, and if it does bad, I got only myself to blame for.
I would agree with you, if you would say no magnets, or tyre types that ruin the track. But you're speaking about a GP race not an F1 race, and with GP races the cars where experimental perhaps the engines where limited in power, but most of the rest was free and if you organize a GP race it should also be in the spirit of a GP race.
There for gentlemen unless the rules stay as they now are, I won't be able to send any entry, sorry.
Cheers, Danny
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Post by alfetta on Oct 11, 2012 13:16:46 GMT -5
I you want to make it a level playing field and not have blindingly quick cars. All that is necessary is that you limit the voltage and current to each track/lane. Simples
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Post by Peter Seager-Thomas on Oct 11, 2012 14:08:26 GMT -5
It is to be hoped that Ken's crisis is minor. My family had a similar crisis a few months back, the world was turned upside down and nothing else mattered. Fortunately things turned out ok, I wish you the same good fortune Ken.
Back to the event; I have stong views about the draft rules given, but will await the publication of the full rules before making any decisions on entry.
I will mention however, that the requirement to build a car inaccurately in order to comply with the rules should be addressed (the idea of scratchbuilding is surely to build an accurate model) and the rule barring voiturettes which have actally run in GPs is ridiculous and without reason. Why?
The time is ripe to stage a high quality race series where the cars, uncluttered by pointless rules, are the builders best attempts at constructing an accurate 1/32 replica of one of their favourite cars.
I hope very much that the rules are reviwed.
Peter.
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Post by alfetta on Oct 12, 2012 3:43:57 GMT -5
Will you accept this one?
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Post by munter on Oct 12, 2012 5:02:45 GMT -5
This could be a great proxy. There needs to be a clear, simple and agreed set of rules that we can all work to. I am confident that when Ken gets some clear space he will work through the issues that have arisen.
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