We will be burying my sister in law tomorrow. Please give me a few days before any of you make any rash decisions. .
This is a no win situation where I have both ends of the slot car building spectrum interested and wanting to be involved. It will be difficult to write an easy to follow and tech set of rules with the "scale guys" and the "racers" competing on even ground with readily available parts, tires, bodies and the rare unobtainium custom made bits like [ channel frames. Please do not hang the messenger, this is why it is called a feeler at the moment.
I am back from a holiday and wasn´t online, that´s the reason, why I was so quiet.
Ken, its not easy for me to find words for a situation like this even in german language, so the only thing I can say in english is, that I feel with you and your family.
Like Peter and Danny just thought, I am truly interested in a pre war proxy race. A Mercedes-Benz W25 -prototype- would be accepted? If yes, I would like to build one. Otherwise I would like to build an Alfa Romeo Bimotore.
Next year my time for building slotcars will be a little bit limited by an other project: I want to build a new routed track at home. But if there will be a pre war proxy race, I´will be your man, Ken.
Post by Mark Huber on Oct 26, 2012 20:47:14 GMT -5
Ken kindly posted a list of the eligible prototypes earlier in this thread.
Can anyone provide a resource list of the body shells that match up with the eligible prototypes? Matchbox, Airfix/MRRC, Mac Pinches/Pre Ad, Tetra Rouge, Dave Jones, Penelope Pitlane, Betta and Classic, Strombecker, George Turner, Tony Condon, etc. I note that a few of our contributors in the Southern Hemisphere are casting resin shells of cars from this era. There must be a few others as well.
What shells are being produced today and what shells are vintage/out of production?
I suspect that if someone starts the list, others can help fill in the blanks.
Thanks so much.
Last Edit: Oct 26, 2012 20:48:54 GMT -5 by Mark Huber
yes, I did read the list of eligible cars, and that´s the reason for my question! - The Mercedes W25 -prototype- did never run in a race -> so would it be allowed to the proxy? - The Alfa Romeo 16C Bimotore is not listed, but took part in two formula races in 1935 (Tripolis and Avus, Berlin) -> it should be eligible
As requested, I can start the list of produced and "out of production" bodies
Dave Jones /in production
Mercedes Benz W154 1938 Alfa Romeo Bi-Motore 1935 Auto Union ‘C’ type 1936
MacPinches / out of production
Alfa Romeo P3 Alfa Romeo 8Cyl 1936 Alfa Romeo 312
Auto Union C type Auto Union Dtype
Mercedes Benz W25 Mercedes Benz W125 Mercedes Benz W154/1938 Mercedes Benz W 154/1939
Post by Peter Seager-Thomas on Oct 27, 2012 14:45:24 GMT -5
The Bimotore was not built to conform to the formula. Cars from 1934 had a weight limit of 750kg, cars from 1938 had a weight limit of 850kg. The Bimotore weighed in at a hefty 1030kg.
The Bimotore should be eligible since cars were entered for the Tripoli Grand Prix, a non-formula event, finishing in 4th and 5th places. I'm not sure if the Avusrennen was classed as a Grand Prix? This was also a non-formula event.
The Mac Pinches P3 should be ineligible. It is a 1932 spec. car, no such cars raced in a Grand Prix from 1934 on.
The C Type ERA should be eligible, Lord Howe competed in the Grosvenor Grand Prix (South Africa) in 1938, where he won.
A more interesting and wider range of entries should be realised if the limitations are reduced. 'Any car built, entered, or practiced for or raced at a Grand Prix' might be an idea. Extending the period to 1940 might be an idea too.
Peter, you are right concerning the Bimotore, the Tripoli and the Avus GP were formula libre races. In 1935, there have been 14 Grand-Prix-races (formula and formula libre), but only five counted for the European championship (Belgium, Spain, Italy, Switzerland and Germany)
The Alfa TipoB/P3 has been updated for the 1934-formula and updated again in 1935, its last great success was Nuvolaris 1st place in the 1935 Nürburgring GP.
I agree with you, that one shouldn´t take the rules too close to the races held with the 750kg-formula, but open them to all cars that ran in Grand-Prix-races before WW II.
Taffy, your range is even bigger if you count also the plastic models in and don't forget the Geodis kits, TRRC and Dave Sykes kits. I know that a Geodis model is not perfect but so are also a few of the other kits. And I have to say that the Auto Union A type kit is definitely a new generation of him that can be hold next to the other good constructors. Than you've got TRRC, but don't put your hope on them. I've been contacting Dave for at least half a year now, and every time he says that he's got some kits that are still available, and that he's going to send me a list, he only forgets to mention the year when he's going to do this. But it took him a year and an half to send me the P3b stream liner, so don't give up hope is the massage
Introducing a wider range of models to meet the regulations isn't a solution in my view. You'll end up with rally and Le Mans cars entering. Perhaps splitting the competition up in two parts, 1930 until 1935 and 1936 until 1940 would be a better solution. Or perhaps their should be a door open for formula libre and Voiturette , that's still an open question.
I rather would like to see sensible regulations as I expressed before. A car must be able to enter in scale as it was build in reality, weight should be no issue. If there is proof that it entered in a GP it should be allowed even if it was only for one race. Regulations should be more about tyre quality and motor capacity.
But it's up to the organizers to come up with the regulations, I think they got the massage what we more or less expect from the regulations. It's their final decision that counts, and I hope we'll know that decision soon?
Last Edit: Oct 28, 2012 6:22:29 GMT -5 by nuvolari