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Post by Chris Wright on Oct 4, 2013 16:53:43 GMT -5
Well should we open the forum up, or will this be like Pandora's Box?
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Post by f143 on Oct 4, 2013 20:30:35 GMT -5
If the forum wants more members and content, and it is regulated there should be no problem, however I quite like the limited appeal of the forum. Regards Nigel
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Post by Mark Huber on Oct 4, 2013 21:57:44 GMT -5
I have nothing against vintage sports cars, in fact I really like seeing those types of cars but there are other forums that are available for that. We know which ones those are. I would really prefer if we kept this board for formula1 and open wheel cars as originally intended.
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Post by Peter Seager-Thomas on Oct 5, 2013 3:04:12 GMT -5
In theory this forum is already open to certain sports cars.
'Formula 1, Grand Prix, Indy & All Open Wheel' cars are eligible, but pre-war a number of Grands Prix were actually run as 'Sports Car' races.
'Vintage' is officially 1930 or earlier. allow later cars and the door starts to get wedged open.
Yes, these cars are catered for by other forums, though are effectively smothered by all the other stuff. That said, it really is a very limited part of the hobby.
What is a 'Sports car'? In my youth many folk described the Cortina 1600E as such..........
Peter.
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Post by David Lawson on Oct 5, 2013 3:05:08 GMT -5
The decision is down to Chris as it's his forum but I was first drawn to this place for the very reason that it specialises in grand prix and open wheeled slot cars and my view is it should remain as such.
David
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Post by nuvolari on Oct 5, 2013 15:29:23 GMT -5
Hi,
Some times the line between a proper GP car and a saloon car converted into a sports car is very thin, a specially if we talk for my field of interest pre war cars. Sometimes those cars took part in rally like the mille miglia, and the week after you'll find them back in a GP. And speed record cars where also used as race cars. But I think that the main objective of this forum should be in the first place the quality we bring on it and the respect for each other. In my opinion we mange this very well up until now and I hope it will stay this way in the future.
What borders me the most on the other forums is the nonsense that constantly appear. A repainted body with other publicity on it, is in my view not a scratch build. Or people that write new topics, just to be the center of attention or people who think that they invented the wheel. I'd rather see two months nothing new appear, and than a very well scaled scratch build, than fifty articles of nonsense.
So our main objective should be quality, originality, technology, scale, historic authenticity and it should have taken part in a sports event or an attempt in record breaking. I think this somes some what, what we should stand for.
As for the view of the forum I'm almost happy as it now is, the only thing I want to see changed is a division of pre war into year 0 to 1917, 1918 to 1930 and 1931 to 1945 A topic on race figurines and proper landscaping. And with landscaping I mean an historic build race track, not just " look I build a figure eight race track on my attic". And Finlay more similes at least one with it's thumb up ;D
Cheers, Danny
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Post by f143 on Oct 5, 2013 19:59:49 GMT -5
Good ideas Danny ;D It would be nice to see tracks with the appropriate scenery like Dave Wisdoms Cheers Nigel
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Post by nuvolari on Oct 7, 2013 14:57:57 GMT -5
149 views and only 6 people got an opinion or an idea Halooooo.... gentlemen... is there anybody out there? I'm pretty sure that the editors won't shoot any one, so I hope ;D I think Pandora has a very small box Chris. Cheers, Danny
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Post by Peter Seager-Thomas on Oct 7, 2013 15:57:00 GMT -5
Hmmm, Danny you have a point.
6 opinions of 149 views.
I would guess this is either because most folk do not care, or more likely that most folk do not visit on a regular basis?
For me, regular discussions on original specifications, build ideas, engineering ideas etc are my preference.
The problem is that this forum was created to cater for those interested in 1960's F1 cars, and has been expanded to include other spheres.
Personally, I enjoy reading the posts, and with my preferences, enjoy the pre-war posts.
I would suggest a temporary introduction of a Vintage Sports Car section to see how it goes.
Many members will have noticed my censure of non-suitable subjects.
I propose that a cut off date is set at circa mid 1940.
As members may have noticed, I do not hold back where censure is required.
Sports car threads as posted must include the race in which that car competed, as indeed most threads do.
Chris, try it for a while. It can be stopped later if it does not work.
Peter.
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Post by nuvolari on Oct 8, 2013 3:01:51 GMT -5
Hi,
I think that a cut of, around the 1940's won't be a good idea. It will cause to much confusion.
I would rather underline sports car with the definition that it really took part in a sports events, there must be a historic back ground and this must shown in the topic. The model should be a really scale1/32 scratch build, self made chassis, a body not produced by a professional slot manufacture, clearly not a face lift or repainted body. And with professional slot I mean the brands that also are for sale in the average toy shop. If you stick to these criteria, I think that limited appeal as Nigel mention will stay, you don't have to be afraid of an invasion of nonsense, but we got to stick to it.
And as I pointed out before a topic on true historic scenery and track building would also be something to put up for trail.
And I think that Peter has a point, just open the door, but there should be no discussion if Chris decides to pull out the plug if this gets out of hand.
Cheers, Danny
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Post by Dave Wisdom on Oct 8, 2013 5:28:50 GMT -5
I really like the fact this forum focuses upon classic Grand Prix and Formula One cars. It has a clear identity and bearing in mind how other slot car forums and more recently, ‘facebook’ groups have been evolving; I wouldn’t like to see it journeying off on a similar path.
My personal interest lies very much within the 1950s, 60s and (very) early 70s. Currently, I feel this forum provides a small ‘cyber-space’ venue for like minded souls to show and share information relating to all things for which we enjoy a collective passion. However, I also like vintage sports cars; particularly the very early types from the 40s through to the later 1960s. I do understand Peter’s suggestion of perhaps dipping toes within the pre 1940s waters and seeing how it works out. I know for sure it will initiate the picture posting of some beautiful models and fascinating information from that era.
Trialling Peter’s suggestion may well work, but my fear is how long it will be before another (possibly quite innocent) suggestion is fielded from elsewhere proposing the forum considers extending the car types and date lines even further. The risk then might be this forum will begin to lose its unique identity and become just another slot car forum attracting many more visitors, but at what cost?
Perhaps setting up a seperate forum specifically for the pre war/ early sports cars with similar attitudes and values to this one, would be another possibility?
Dave
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Post by towboater on Oct 8, 2013 9:39:52 GMT -5
There is no lack of forums for slots, both foreign and domestic. This forum is unique in it's singular approach and allows one to see exactly what type of car interests us all. Please keep it as it is. Howard
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Post by Aurora on Oct 8, 2013 9:43:23 GMT -5
My preference is for the forum to continue to focus on open wheel cars. As others have noted, there are several other forums that accommodate all types of slot cars, including sports cars. I can always visit those sites and do so frequently. As it stands now, I can access this board knowing that I will easily and quickly find information about open wheel cars. I don't have to wade through hundreds of other topics to find the subjects that interest me. Admittedly, having hundreds of topics is not a big problem in the grand scheme of things. But sometimes, I do get overwhelmed, or perhaps just a bit fatigued by having too much "choice". It's like having 250 TV channels, as opposed to the 6 or 7 we had when I was a kid. As the cliche goes, sometimes less is more. So this board, with its limited focus, is refreshing. I come here, I get open wheelers, I'm happy. BTW, my actual perception of this website may not align with the original intent. This thread has just made me realize that I come to this board looking for information about not only open wheel cars, but ANY car that does not employ "Unibody" construction. For example, if I were to build a 1907 Thomas Flyer, or a Stutz Bearcat racer, I assumed that I would be able to discuss it here. For some reason, I've always thought of brass era cars as open wheelers, but technically, I guess they are not. Perhaps those subjects do not fit in with the original intent of this board.
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Post by chrisguyw on Oct 8, 2013 9:44:55 GMT -5
While I like all forms and eras of motorsport and cars, my passion has always been for GP cars, particularly the ones of the 60's and early 70's, and this site has provided me with not only a GP focus, but access to some truly wonderful builders and some great advice/tips..........I enjoy reading all the posts, and learn from every build.
My concern is that by diluting, you get what you asked for.....a diluted forum, of which there are already several. .....previous posts indicate that there is frustration in "sifting" through some of the less interesting posts on these forums.
Don't get me wrong, I do spend time on all the other sites, as I love everything "slotcar", and I build a considerable amount of non GP cars for my clubs racing series, but visiting here I know what I am getting, a skilled group of enthusiasts, with a passion for era specific open wheelers.
I enjoy it the way it is.
Cheers Chris Walker
PS Unless I am missing something, why is there a feeling that change is required??
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Post by f143 on Oct 8, 2013 9:55:52 GMT -5
Having read more comments I prefer the board to stay as it is. If someone wants to start a sports car forum I would be happy to become a member of that site. Cheers Nigel
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