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Post by Mark Huber on Nov 2, 2013 21:53:05 GMT -5
I was looking for something to do today, knowing that I should leave well enough alone on the Lotus 21 now that I've redone the space frame 3 times. In any event, I discovered this shell in a small plastic box behind a a bunch of other boxes, and thought I'd see what I could piece together over the next few days (weeks). The shell will need quite a bit of work, but its surprisingly close to scale. It's narrow, but I like the longer wheelbase of the 158; it will make it only slightly difficult to get a full body driver fitted.. he pretty much is anyway.. (there is an FF050 motor in the car).
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Post by old23 on Nov 3, 2013 12:03:51 GMT -5
Who made the shell?
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Post by Mark Huber on Nov 3, 2013 15:57:58 GMT -5
I tried Italian Red, (Tamiya TS-8) first, but I think Bright Red (Tamiya TS-49) looks a bit more "Ferrari".. I'm sort of out of my element here as I haven't done a lot of 'bloody red' cars. But then blood red wouldn't be right either, would it? I'll try to model my car after the 158 that Surtees drove to a victory at the 1964 Italian Grand Prix. The Kitman shell more closely resembles this car which had the side nose scoops. I'm thinking that Tamiya "Semi-Gloss" clear spray might not be a bad idea for this car. Concours judges seem to hate any car without a finish that you can see your face in, but this car isn't going anywhere near a Concours judge. And to think I was mourning the demise of Ultra Gloss! The Monogram replicas on the back look a bit like dragster tires, but right now they are just 'place holders'. The driver is a place holder too. well, he's going to lose his head, that's for sure. This car needs to be piloted by either Surtees or Bandini.. sans face mask.
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Post by f143 on Nov 3, 2013 20:01:00 GMT -5
Quick work Mark and looking good. I am not good on colours, but I was watching 61 season F1 and the Ferraris looked very dark red, so like a lot of teams they probably change their colours/paints over the years. That looks like a bloody red car anyway to me! Nigel
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Post by David Lawson on Nov 4, 2013 1:56:19 GMT -5
I would suggest the shell might be by "Central".
They did a small range of plastic F1 and Indianapolis car kits including the Ferrari 158, Lotus 33 and two rear engined Indy cars which looked a bit like the Hawk. The kits were a bit toy like and included a small friction motor arrangement but the shells themselves were fairly accurate.
I had the Ferrari about 10/15 years ago but swapped it for the Lotus 33 which I still have unbuilt in its original box.
David
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Post by Mark Huber on Nov 4, 2013 10:27:42 GMT -5
Quick work Mark and looking good. I am not good on colours, but I was watching 61 season F1 and the Ferraris looked very dark red, so like a lot of teams they probably change their colours/paints over the years. That looks like a bloody red car anyway to me! Nigel Yes Nigel, but there will be trouble down the line with this paint, or so I've been informed, so I'm not going to get too attached to any shade of red at the moment. The shell was cast in colored resin, and I've been informed by those wiser than me that the resin may start boiling and bubbling at some point notwithstanding the thorough scrub and two coats of primer that I applied. As I am a pedant when it comes to shades of green, I will avoid attempting the same with red. Since I've never built an Alfa Romeo, Maserati or Lancia and very few Ferraris, I would be on very uncertain ground. I did read somewhere (perhaps Motor Sport Magazine) quoting some body who saw the various Italian teams in action in the 1950, that the Ferraris were the brightest shade of red, the Maseratis somewhat darker and the Lancia's darker still. Frankly, I'd just like some old codger who was around then to say, Yes, Mark.. Ferraris are: (fill in the blank with Paint brand name and serial/model number).. but I don't think that's going to happen, eh? God knows what shade (s) of red the Alfa Romeos were. I have scores of pictures of 158s and 159s but 99% of them are in black and white and I can't trust color pictures anyway. Finally, the ATS cars should just have been covered up with duct tape.. in fact I think they were.
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Post by chrisguyw on Nov 4, 2013 11:36:41 GMT -5
Hi Mark, I have had good luck with Tamiya TS8 "Italian Red".......it was developed for the earlier Ferraris in the Tamiya range. I have found that red being fairly opaque, it is much more accurate if applied over a fairly dark grey primer, especially for 50's/60's cars, so you may want to explore that route. Three or four lighter coats (1/2 hour in between) gives me results that I am quite happy with. The early Ferraris'(158 included) were far from bright.
Tamiya TS49 Bright Red was developed for the early/mid 2000 year Ferraris, when it was decided by the marketing guys that more "pop" was required for the TV cameras, and it also more closely resembled the Marlboro colour swatch. This colour is most accurately duplicated by using over white primer, but it is not the accurate tone for the 158.
cheers Chris
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Post by Mark Huber on Nov 5, 2013 17:41:54 GMT -5
The mystery is solved: Chris Wright asked me if the body might be from John Kit, and that rang the bell. Yes, I bought this shell as well as a Lotus 33 from John Kit a few years ago. Both of them look to be modified from the old vintage Monogram bodies... they are lower and the Ferrari is quite a bit narrower. Anyway, that is that. I'll start on the cockpit detailing this weekend.. there is a lot to do as the entire cockpit from the driver's shins to the back of his seat is visible.
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Post by alfetta on Nov 21, 2013 18:05:51 GMT -5
Oddly enough this is the car I am building at the moment.unfortunatelyI have had to shelve it for the moment.
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Post by alfetta on Nov 22, 2013 3:37:47 GMT -5
I have done a little more to it.
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Post by Chris Wright on Nov 27, 2013 12:09:31 GMT -5
Hi Peter,
Your Ferrari is coming along nicely. It'll be interesting to see how it compares with the Supershells, and Monogram versions.
Looking forward to seeing more progress Chris
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Post by bison on Feb 10, 2014 19:24:57 GMT -5
Mark, Where did you get those great scale drawings behind the car? Tim
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Post by Chris Wright on Feb 10, 2014 23:40:20 GMT -5
Mark, Where did you get those great scale drawings behind the car? Tim Hi Tim, Mark is out of town for a couple of weeks, he'll be able to follow up with any more questions when he returns. In the meantime here are two Ferrari's: The first is the 1965 1512 with a 12 cylinder engine, the next is the 158 with the 8 cylinder engine. You should be able to download these to your desk top and re-size the from there. Good luck, Chris
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Post by bison on Feb 11, 2014 19:39:28 GMT -5
Wow. Thanks Chris. Those are spectacular. Do you do those drawings? I found a web sight, "The Blueprints.com" that has drawings of a lot of different cars, but I haven't figures out how to download the drawings. Are there other sources for such drawings? Thanks again. Still waiting for the 158 kit I ordered from Penelope Pit Lane. (Only been just a week so it really isn't late.) Eager to get after the project! Tim
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Post by Chris Wright on Feb 11, 2014 23:49:09 GMT -5
Hi Tim, No I didn't draw them, somebody back in 1965 did. The best way believe it or not to find blueprints (I find anyway) is to type in a simple phrase like: 1964 Ferrari 158 Blueprint Some blueprint sights are like a forum, unfortunately you have to join. If you use Google it will probably bring up several sights, and 2 or three different blueprints. Some are better than others, or of a slightly different car. Compare the prints you find to the photo's of the car you want to build. This is the first place to start, it'll also give you dimensions. www.vsrnonline.com/Mags/MC/MC_Plans.htmlAlternatively you can ask here, and I'm sure someone will help you find any that are available.Chris
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