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Post by Mark Huber on May 31, 2012 15:09:16 GMT -5
Well, this car is still minus the driver, cockpit detailing and engine detailing. Oh yes it's on the wrong wheels, and tires, but other than that it's done 1966 BRM P83. An ugly brute of a car. Unfortunately, it didn't race any better than it looked. Thanks for looking, Mark
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Post by mel62 on Jun 2, 2012 8:57:50 GMT -5
Its getting there Mark so KBO (Churchill speak)
Cheers
Mel
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Post by old23 on Jun 4, 2012 23:12:20 GMT -5
The H16 was a real glorious failure. Funny that it took a Lotus (and Mr. Clark) to win with it. Must be tough for a BRM guy like you to swallow that. Old23
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Post by Mark Huber on Jun 5, 2012 8:55:14 GMT -5
Well Stewart, as I recall it was the only championship win for the Lotus 43 chassis. Powered by BRM. So I guess it depends how you look at it.
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Post by Andrew Dunan on Jun 27, 2012 12:22:44 GMT -5
Lotus used the H16 in the 43, in 4 Grand Prix. Jimmy even reverted back to a 33 Climax for Monaco 67. The H16 was never seen again in the back of a Lotus ............... How long did BRM persevere with it ? And it was nearly a year late ! !
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Post by Mark Huber on Jun 27, 2012 13:05:50 GMT -5
Lotus used the H16 in the 43, in 4 Grand Prix. Jimmy even reverted back to a 33 Climax for Monaco 67. The H16 was never seen again in the back of a Lotus ............... How long did BRM persevere with it ? And it was nearly a year late ! ! The Owen Racing Organisation stuck with the H16 through the end of 1967. In 1966, all in the P83, the team had six starts and no finishes. (Prior to the 1966 Italian Grand Prix, Stewart and Hill raced in 1.9 and 2.0L P261s.) In 1967 there were 20 starts (P83 and P115) with a best finish of 2nd in the Belgian Grand Prix by Jackie Stewart. Mike Spence drove a P115 with the H16 in the 1968 South African Grand Prix for Owen Racing. After that Owen Racing campaigned with their V12 motor. The BRM V12 was used by Bruce McLaren in his M5A beginning with the 1967 Canadian Grand Prix.
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Post by mel62 on Jul 2, 2012 11:28:29 GMT -5
IMHO the McLaren M5A was a nice looking car, shame the motor was neither as powerful nor as reliable as BRM claimed. Still they learned a lot from it and so did Bruce - 1968 was the year of the M7 Cossie and WHAT a pretty car that was.
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Post by Mark Huber on Jul 2, 2012 14:41:34 GMT -5
I was searching for some good pictures of the BRM H16 engine and came upon this cover photo from the August 1966 edition of Road & Track:So, of course, I ordered an old copy from eBay. However, you can be assured that my efforts aren't going to be anywhere near this detailed. In the meantime, I was delighted to discover that this issue not only had a series of articles on BRM, but R&T's race report of the 24eme Grand Prix Automobile de Monaco by the always enjoyable Henry N. Manney. I had to chuckle when I read the story, as Mr. Manney began his piece by taking aim at a certain movie production that was interfering with the important business of conducting a Grand Prix race. Permit me to quote at length: "The more enterprising of these (MGM/Frankenheimer) nabbed Monaco by waving large bags of gold about so the normal confusion of practice was compounded by pits full of Hollywood types, scuttling little men with walkie talkies, movie cameramen underfoot everywhere, makeup ladies, strutting actors with fake grease marks on their faces and the usual collection of camp followers.
This producer has also imported an unlikely collection of clapped out Formula Juniors with phony exhaust pipes springing out of the boot lid in true comic book style and various pilots, both unemployed and otherwise, have been engaged to motor these around in the 30-mph queue beloved of Hollywood directors, sawing furiously at the wheel meanwhile like Greek taxi drivers...
...Anyway this volte face by an organization (Manny is referring to the GPDA) that prates so much about safety was apparently prompted by some of the GPDA's members being employed by said movie company. Several of the other members (whether from not being asked or through principle) took violent exception to pecuniary advantage being put before proper attention to business and J. Surtees, for one promptly handed in his resignation to the GPDA....
...we who love the sport hope that it will be a good movie, but after watching this bunch at work I am afraid that it will turn out to be another schmaltz covered corn-ball with thrills, spills, unrealistic lines spoken by unrealistic people, and Muntz Jets dicing with Manny Ayulo's old midget up and down the Ensenada highway."Aw Mr. Manney.. and I thought Pauline Kael wrote wicked reviews.. although she usually waited until after the picture was finished before she unleashed her broadsides. As an aside, I do wonder what Mr. Manney had against Greek taxi drivers.
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Post by David Lawson on Jul 4, 2012 11:29:38 GMT -5
Mark I was looking through my motor racing scrapbook for 1967 which I still treasure and found these BRM items that I cut out of an Autocar magazine all those years ago. They might be of use to you. David
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Post by Mark Huber on Jul 5, 2012 9:17:17 GMT -5
David, Thank you. What a great archive! Now you've raised the bar for me.. I was just planning on gluing aluminum ferrules into a plastic card and calling it good. I'll have to give this some more attention, and try to do it justice. The gasket covers and pipes are probably within my skill level, but the last time I tried to add wiring as engine detailing (using thread) I made a hash of it. Suggestions/advice would be most appreciated.
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Post by Andrew Rowland on Jul 5, 2012 15:01:16 GMT -5
Better use copper wire Mark, it bends and stays better. Or electronic type thin wire for circuit boards might just look thin enough.
Run some current through the wire to heat it and pull it out of the plastic cover. Then pull the strands apart and you'll have single copper strands.
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Post by Mark Huber on Jul 6, 2012 8:07:33 GMT -5
Copper Wire... Thanks Andi.
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Post by Mark Huber on Jul 7, 2012 21:17:32 GMT -5
The top cam covers and upper injection trumpets fitted.. so far so good...although I'll probably shift the whole insert back a millimeter or two or three. It's time to take a break before I glue all my fingers together. Moved the insert back a couple mm.. better I think..
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Post by Mark Huber on Jul 12, 2012 19:58:40 GMT -5
The pieces (driver, exhausts, engine detailing) are still taped in, but I'm almost ready to make it final. Oh yes.. have to drill holes for the mirrors.. tricky...but we put mirrors in the rules, so I'll have to give it a go.
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Post by David Lawson on Jul 13, 2012 3:54:31 GMT -5
The P83 is taking shape nicely Mark. I sense some trepidation about fitting the mirrors. If it helps, I drill my screens to fit mirrors by holding the screen and a piece of balsa between my fingers to provide support and then a couple of seconds with the dremel does the trick. Don't think I was really going to drill the screen that low down, this was a mock up picture.. David
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