The Year is 1906, they just started work on world's the first purpose build race track, Brooklands. On October the 6Th the 3rd Vanderbilt Cup is organized near New York the race track is no more than a dirt track, existing of sand an gravel. The contestants come from all continents. Among them Louis Wagner with his mechanic Louis Vivet, in their No. 10 100Hp 4 cylinder Darracq.
I first found out about the Darracq when I was researching the 1905 Darracq. Fortunately the car has survived time and is now fully restored in New Zealand.
I first thought that the chassis was the same as the 1905 model, but to make sure and for details, I did a search for the owner, to see if I could gain some information on the car. So after some mails, I managed to contact the owner, who past my request to the man that restored the car. They were very kind and helped me with all the details I needed to get started at the project. I was glad that I didn't start the chassis based on the 1905 model because the 1906 model is longer and has a nick in the side beams, that is very difficult to detect on the photos.
Anyway the project has started and the chassis is ready
I first start of with a question, is there anybody stil intrested in this build? Because it's almost a week on the forum now, and nobody has given any reaction If nobody is intrested, I'll stop showing photos on the project, I can use my time for better things.
Post by Chris Wright on Nov 29, 2012 9:10:25 GMT -5
I'm interested, and so are many on this Forum. It's a bit quiet because in the States we just had Thanksgiving, which is a bigger holiday over here than Christmas, plus we're all working hard because that's what we do this time of year cause we have to make a buck or two.
And next is Christmas, and everybody has family obligations, but yes we're interested.
Yes Danny , very interested ! Just selfishly waiting for the next pics with baited breath. Love your presentation on the cars history and love the detail that you put into the build, that makes it a work of art. Most definitely looking forward to the progress pics !
...is this being built as per the restored car? I note the nicely done ring gear (?) on the flywheel which the restored car probably has, but the original presumably would not... quote]
Hi there folks,
Thank you for giving a sign of life.
Good question Peter, I've been looking at many old photos and none is clear enough to give a decent answer. But I personally think it always had been there, now I could be wrong, but this gear on the flying wheel is there to power the alternator. That's way I assume that this is the original design. the best original photo I have on this part of the car is this one:
The flying wheel was smaller, than it is now, this I adapted. And the colour was also lighter. I was thinking about the same colour like the light blue on the Nice Alfa.
Anyway, today I've finished one of the most difficult parts the grill, and it looks ten times better for real than on photo.
Last Edit: Nov 29, 2012 17:39:09 GMT -5 by nuvolari
My reaction: While I personally don't find pre war racers (as in pre "The Great War") as interesting as open wheelers from the 1950s and 1960s I am amazed by your work. These are brilliant models. I appreciate the research you do in all your fine work, and that you share your process and the final results with us.
You said the real thing looks ten times better than the picture. I say, I'd sure love to see your work in person some day! I'm more than impressed by the pictures you've posted.
Post by Andrew Rowland on Dec 4, 2012 15:14:08 GMT -5
Hey Danny, it can be frustrating to have so little feedback but keep at it...
I wonder if you could make those leaf spring suspensions work? I notice they are soldered up solid but if you made up an inboard frame to couple the pinion to the crown gear (essentially a gearbox), you could have that floating on the rear springs. Likewise the front wheels could float without affecting the steering coupling.
Post by Peter Seager-Thomas on Dec 4, 2012 16:18:42 GMT -5
Andi, that is a good idea and from my point of view, continues on from other discussions. The basic (older) leaf spring is quite simple, several leaves held together with a central bolt with the assembled leaves held in alignment by a number of clamps/staples. There is a correct work but I can't think of it.
Such an idea is ridiculous, so let us persevere.....
Post by Andrew Rowland on Dec 5, 2012 0:01:50 GMT -5
Peter, yes indeed it continues earlier discussions and moves further and further towards real scale building.
I wouldn't quite say ridiculous.... Difficult yes....
It might be nice to make them from steel shim rather than brass, since brass tends not to spring back very well.
Another thought Danny. Obviously you are doing a good job of hiding the motor, aided by the fact that the chassis on these cars rides so high. It might be better or easier to use a 'beardog' sized motor. The normal difficulty with these motors is the lack of brakes not the lack of speed, but given the weight of your builds I don't think that would penalise you in the way it might a post war racer.
Your idea is good Andi, but I really doubt that this effectively would work on a 1/32 scale. Also if you want to do this you must use spring steel, that first of all is thin enough, and your second problem is that it's almost impossible to attach this to the chassis. Personally I think this would be a lot of work for nothing.But thanks anyway for the suggestion, stuff like this makes people think and evolve, and that's always good.
@ Aurora, what do you want to know about the wheels? I can tell you that these masterpieces are made by Peter. So for technical details, you could better ask him. The only thing I did, is the small breakdisk on the rear wheels, and fitted it with an Allen screw for attachment to the rear axle. And in the front wheel hubs I build in 2 ball bearings per wheel, and some Teflon tube on the hole where the wheel nut goes in, to keep the wheel in a strait alignment without friction.
Here are some updates on the build, The motor part is almost ready.