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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 12:30:59 GMT -5
Hi all,
my son asks, is there a body kit of the Honda RA 272, the one with the big booty?
32nd will do, but he's also a 43rd fan and would actually like either.
Cheers,
Martin
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Post by Chris Wright on Jan 11, 2014 12:52:06 GMT -5
Hi all, my son asks, is there a body kit of the Honda RA 272, the one with the big booty? 32nd will do, but he's also a 43rd fan and would actually like either. Cheers, Martin Martin you mean the 271, that's got the gearbox cover, oh yes you have an e-mail. Chris |
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Post by datto on Mar 4, 2016 20:03:02 GMT -5
Didn't Ritche Ginther's RA272 run with an engine cover for the '65 Mexican GP?  Back from the dead  |
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Post by Chris Wright on Mar 4, 2016 20:33:31 GMT -5
Marc, You are correct, I never knew that, a 272 with an engine cover.  |
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Post by Phil Kalbfell on Mar 5, 2016 5:36:40 GMT -5
I think you will find that the car raced with no gearbox cover in Mexico. I found the bottom pic when I was building my VRAA 272, But all the Race pics show it with no gear box cover.
The bottom pic appears to have the Square style engine cover with the filler projecting out of it.
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Post by Chris Wright on Mar 5, 2016 12:19:21 GMT -5
I think you will find that the car raced with no gearbox cover in Mexico. I found the bottom pic when I was building my VRAA 272, But all the Race pics show it with no gear box cover. The bottom pic appears to have the Square style engine cover with the filler projecting out of it. Richie Ginther apparently had 2 272's to choose from Ken, here's the quote from Road & Track. Richie had spent the last day of practice deciding which Honda was the stronger; both were running well, but one was weller than the other. The instant the starter's flag dropped it became apparent he'd picked the right one. He gunned out into a lead, which he never lost, but which, at first, seemed extremely perilous. I agree the shot I posted looks like a RA-272 with a rounder tail cone (than the 271), and a RA 271 engine cover. That's the only photo I've ever seen of a RA 272 with the cover. |
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Post by datto on Mar 29, 2016 18:25:07 GMT -5
Some footage of the '65 Mexican GP. My Japanese is rusty, maybe Mr. Huber can provide a translated transcript.  |
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Post by old23 on Mar 30, 2016 7:23:46 GMT -5
Well, that little piece of film answered a lot of questions raised above. The first 27 seconds were clearly from the rainy Spa race where Ginther (#10) and Bucknum (#11) both raced earlier versions of the 272 with different engine covers and full gearbox covering bodywork. The photo that Chris posted above is from that race, not sunny Mexico. The film then shows the two Hondas at Mexico with final version engine covers and no gearbox cowling. Ginther was #11 and Bucknum #12.
The two versions were illustrated in last year's VRAA proxy by the entries of Phil #10 and Marek #69. The former is a Tassie shell, while the latter is a BSB one.
Stewart
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Post by Chris Wright on Mar 30, 2016 9:48:59 GMT -5
Mr Honda can really produce some confusion. Stewart, Phil's number #10 is a 271, and Marek's #69 is a 272.
There was only one 271, a spaceframe car, and it remained fairly constant in configuration and always had the tail cone.
The car was unveiled at Zandvoort in July and made its debut 10 days later at the German GP at the old Nurburgring, Bucknum starting at the back of the grid. It also raced at Italy and the U.S. Grand Prix.
For 1965 Honda raced the 272 and this car changed all the time, these cars were monocoque, and is seemed the engine cover had quite a few different configurations.
Yes the first 27 seconds of that film were clearly from the rainy Spa, and #10 clearly had the gearbox cover.
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Post by Phil Kalbfell on Mar 30, 2016 15:16:31 GMT -5
My car was built from information and pics published in Motor Racing Replica News. My car has a lower body line along the cockpit sides, different engine cover and side air scoops to the RA 271. K- Model made. 1/43 resin kit of this car back in the 90's. During 1965 it seems that the cars ran with and without the gear box covers from what I can find pics of and the engine cover had 3 variations.When again we are relying on photographers captions at the time. Mareks car is the RA 272 Evo that was used only in the last two races of 1965, having different suspension mounting points and different exhaust system, and cut away lower side panels behind the cockpit.  |
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Post by Chris Wright on Mar 30, 2016 16:14:01 GMT -5
Very interesting Phil, I think variations on a theme with Honda's is just as confusing as Lotus 25's and 33's.
I stand corrected.
Thanks Phil,
Chris
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Post by Phil Kalbfell on Mar 31, 2016 0:55:04 GMT -5
Chris I think the Hondas are harder to try and sort out,there seem to a lot more period pics of the Lotus's available than the Honda.
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Post by old23 on Mar 31, 2016 6:54:20 GMT -5
Phil, that's a very useful comparison photo, even if it is of models instead of the actual cars. I will keep a copy in my research files for future builds. Thanks.
Stewart
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Post by Phil Kalbfell on Mar 31, 2016 8:39:48 GMT -5
MRRN was. Great publication,with a lot of detailed information on variations of cars and great how to build articles.
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