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Post by Mark Huber on Oct 29, 2013 13:17:55 GMT -5
Okay, this contest is open to all Members of the Board.
In the history of F1 Racing between 1950 and 2013 YTD, there have been 30 numbers between 1 and 32 that were assigned to cars at LEAST 250 times. Not surprisingly the number 13 was only assigned twice, so I suppose there is some superstition in motor racing, eh?
As might be expected, over this period, cars with the number 1 were the most successful in terms of wins with 178 wins out of 748 races or 23.8%.
So, here are the questions:
1)OF the numbers with over 250 races, What is the second 'luckiest' number to have in terms of win percentage (excluding #1)?
2)Of the numbers with over 250 races. What is the least 'lucky' number to have in terms of win percentage?
Bonus: What's the win percentage for your answer to question #1?
Rules: You cannot use a database to find your answer. You are on your HONOR system NOT to use a database. Therefore you must supply your reasoning for providing the answers to the following two questions: Example. "7 is a lucky number , so that's the reason for my answer to question 1" or "Michael Schumacher liked number (whatever)so that is why I picked it as my answer", etc.
IF you do not provide a reason for your answers they don't count.
The first member to answer both questions correctly will win a Dave Jones body shell from my inventory. (That's about half of the Dave Jones' collection) I'll let the winner know what I have)
All answers or guesses to be posted on this Forum.
The contest closes in 24 hours. 12 noon Mountain Time .. and whatever time that is in your time zone. ;-)
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Post by Chris Wright on Oct 29, 2013 15:33:23 GMT -5
The FIA Formula 1 World Championship entry list does not have a number 13. The number is generally considered to be an unlucky number. It was used in the early years of the sport but in the 1920s it was dropped after the Delage factory team suffered two fatal accidents with the number in the course of just a few months. The first was Paul Torchy, who crashed into a tree during the San Sebastian Grand Prix in September 1925 (below). Oooops, Peter are you reading this? There have been two occasions when the number has been used in F1. The first was at the Mexican Grand Prix in 1963 when Moises Solana used the number on a BRM at his home event in Mexico City (below). Mark are going to build this car? The second occasion was in 1976 when Divina Galica tried to qualify for the British Grand Prix in a Surtees entered by Nick Whiting, brother of the FIA’s Formula 1 Race Director Charlie Whiting (below). She failed to qualify.
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Post by Mark Huber on Oct 29, 2013 15:41:55 GMT -5
The FIA Formula 1 World Championship entry list does not have a number 13. The number is generally considered to be an unlucky number. It was used in the early years of the sport but in the 1920s it was dropped after the Delage factory team suffered two fatal accidents with the number in the course of just a few months. The first was Paul Torchy, who crashed into a tree during the San Sebastian Grand Prix in September 1925 (below). Oooops, Peter are you reading this? Number 13 1963 Mexican GP
Moises Solana BRM P57 Laps Completed 57 Retired Engine 11 Centro Sud Team
1976 British GP
Divina Galica Surtees-Cosworth TS16 Qualifed 28th and did not start the race
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Post by David Lawson on Oct 29, 2013 15:50:03 GMT -5
To continue the unlucky theme of number 13.
Nick Whiting who was associated with the Divina Galica entry in 1976, and who was a very quick racing driver himself who I saw race countless times in the 1970s was murdered and never found but it is suspected he is under a motorway somewhere near Brands Hatch!
David
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Post by Brian on Oct 29, 2013 16:48:10 GMT -5
More more more. Good read this, very interesting.
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Post by abbo on Oct 29, 2013 18:22:38 GMT -5
I'll take a wild guess... The luckiest number is 27... I have no idea really, but that number is associated with Gilles Villeneuve and I'm sure (although probably wrong) the number kept being interchanged between the world champ and the guy who just lost the world champ... so they probably had a few wins. The unluckiest number has to be 6, again I have no basis for this other than (if I remember correctly) Francoise Cevert died in car number 6, whilst on lap 6 and on the 6th day of the month. He also finished 2nd 6 times that year.
ABBO
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Post by Chris Wright on Oct 29, 2013 18:26:32 GMT -5
This Nick Whiting? Apparently he was one of the victims of The curse of the Brink's-Mat gold bullion robbery In the 80's Nick went on to open motor racing spare parts shop All Car Equipe in Wrotham, Kent, 5 miles away from Brands Hatch circuit. It was claimed he had ‘opened up’ to police. His mutilated body was found stabbed nine times and he’d been shot. Nick was murdered in 1990, his dead body found on Rainham Marshes in Essex a month after his disappearance. Interesting that's where I used to live. Interesting stuff! Sorry Mark and now back to regular programming: F 1/32 Contest Lucky and Unlucky Numbers
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Post by David Lawson on Oct 29, 2013 18:37:45 GMT -5
I shouldn't write from memory. I was certain he was never found.
David
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Post by f143 on Oct 29, 2013 19:44:27 GMT -5
I will say number 5 and number 11 with a % of 12 I know some drivers had success with number 5 not least Clark and Mansell. Nigel
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Post by David Lawson on Oct 30, 2013 4:43:34 GMT -5
I was also going to suggest that number 5 could be the highest scoring number for the same reason that Nigel gave. Clark often won with it as did Mansell, I think Schumacher did during his Benetton years and the beginning of his stint with Ferrari. This is difficult without going up to my library of reference books or the net.
The lowest scoring number is impossible to guess but I will go for number 36 as Gurney won once with it in the Eagle and higher race numbers weren't often allocated to the leading teams. I know the Sharknose Ferraris had numbers in the thirties at Monaco a couple of times but they didn't win with them.
I am sure I will look totally foolish and completely wrong when you give the answers.
David
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Post by Mark Huber on Oct 30, 2013 5:56:50 GMT -5
Okay guys: For those of you members who have read this thread AND not at least taken a shot at the answers..I"m going to say two things: 1) If I had a chance to win a Dave Jone shell by guessing a couple of car numbers, I would have posted a dozen guesses by now. All I said was that you are on your honor system not to use a data base AND to provide some explanation as to how you picked your two numbers, That isn't that hard. You aren't required to dig out library books, just use your imagination. AND 2) I spoke to Dave Jones yesterday. As of right now, the available cars for a prize are not limited to what Mark Huber has in stock, but what Dave Jones makes. The cars will be sent directly to the winner (s) from Dave. Note I said winner(s). See below. That is a very nice list of cars... I would be submitting several dozen guesses.. But hey that's just me. I am NOW going to award a car for whoever first gets the "luckiest number" and a car for whoever first gets the "unluckiest number". If anyone guesses both numbers correctly first , he wins 2 Dave Jones shells. Here's what the winner(s) will get to choose from: Alfa Romeo Bi-Motore 1935 Alfa Romeo 158 1940/1950 Auto Union ‘C’ type 1936 A.T.S. type 100 1963 Brabham Climax 1964 B.R.M. P48 1960 B.R.M. V8 1962 B.R.M. V8 1963 B.R.M. P261 1964 Ferrari Aeroi V8 1964 Ferrari 500/625 1953/5 Lancia D50 1955 Lancia Ferrari Long Nose 1956 Ferrari Dino 246 1959 Lola Climax Mk 4 1962 Lotus 16 Lotus 18 Lotus 21 Lotus 25 1962 version 1954 Maserati 250F 1956 Maserati 250F Mercedes Benz 300 SLR (Sports) Mercedes Benz W154 1938 4 cyl. Porsche 718 F1 1961/64 Flat 8 Porsche 804 1962 Scarab GP 1960 Thomas Special 1926 Ferguson P99 1961 Honda RA271 1964 Maserati 250F 1956 (Offset Monza car) The contest closes in a little less than 7 hours. I really should still be asleep right now! All will be revealed at 12 PM Noon Mountain Time today. Good luck.
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Post by Brian on Oct 30, 2013 6:47:02 GMT -5
I was not going to enter as I did not wish to make myself look a fool, however, I'll have a go, but as Manuel used to say, "I know nothing!" I can only remember one or two drivers and their No's from F1 and they are relatively new. So my luckiest will be No 8 as I think Damon Hill drove with that number in the Nigel Mansell era and my unluckiest will be Johnny Herbert with No 12. Both pure guesses, but you gotta be in it to win it. I have know idea if the assigned numbers have been used 250 times. Don't laugh too loud. Brian
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Post by Mark Huber on Oct 30, 2013 10:23:12 GMT -5
[quote author=" David Lawson" source="/post/2916/thread" timestamp="1383126214" The lowest scoring number is impossible to guess but I will go for number 36 as Gurney won once with it in the Eagle and higher race numbers weren't often allocated to the leading teams. I know the Sharknose Ferraris had numbers in the thirties at Monaco a couple of times but they didn't win with them. I am sure I will look totally foolish and completely wrong when you give the answers. David[/quote] David, if you see this in the next few hours I will go you one do over on your unluckiest guess. Number 32 was indeed unlucky in the wins department but it did not have over 250 appearances from 1950-2013.. only cars with the numbers between 1 and 30 had over 250 starts. So while you have a great answer, I need a guess of a number between 1 and 30. By the way, in case anyone was wondering there were 34 starts with the 'number'? 0 and the highest number ever raced was 136 (I start in the German GP in 1952. There was a car with number 208 which was Lela Lombardi in a Brabham BT42 at the 1974 British GP but that car was a DNQ
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Post by David Lawson on Oct 30, 2013 10:49:59 GMT -5
I was at the 1974 British Grand Prix when number 208 was allocated to Lella Lombardi in the private Brabham. For those that don't know the number relates to the wavelength of Radio Luxembourg one of the sponsors on the car. I also saw Damon Hill race with the number 0 but his Williams is a bit too modern for this forum about retro cars so I won't post one of my pictures. The second guess you are allowing me for the unluckiest will be number 2 on the basis that the second driver to a world champion won't get a look in to race victories up against the better driver. David
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Post by Aurora on Oct 30, 2013 11:36:58 GMT -5
1. 2nd luckiest No. - I'll guess No. 4 because it looks good in a roundel.
2. Unluckiest No. - Darn, David Lawson beat me to it - No. 2 for the same reason.
3. No. 6 winning percentage - 5%
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